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May 13, 2022

Author and TV presenter Mark Olly joins us to talk about his recent study of crystal skulls and human heads. A fascinating discussion.

You can find his book on the subject at Amazon: Crystal Skulls & Human Heads

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Jim Harold 0:05
Where we came from, where we've been. They're eternal questions that say a lot about where we're going as the human race. Welcome to Ancient Mysteries on the Air.

Welcome to Ancient Mysteries on the Air. I'm Jim Harold, and so glad to be with you once again. And we have a fascinating topic. And I'm sure a fascinating guest who we're going to be speaking to about that topic. Now, there's a recent book out it's called Crystal Skulls and Human Heads, and we're going to be interviewing and speaking with our guest, Mark Olly. Now, Mark has authored many books, he is highly creative, original, cutting edge, enthusiastic, passionate and very involved in all he does. He's a writer, artist, musician, director, TV presenter, archaeologist, and lecturer. And I'm guessing there's a few more we've missed there. He is indeed a renaissance man. He uses creative media of all types to tell stories from our past, present, and to look to the future. And he'd like to see a better world made by the creative and intelligent among us. Mark, welcome to the show today.

Mark Olly 1:11
Hi, nice to be aboard.

Jim Harold 1:13
So now this idea of human heads and crystal skulls. Now, sometimes you see these two things looked at separately, you know, you'll see books on just crystal skulls and mysterious crystal skulls that are found and so forth. And then you'll see different ones. I don't know if I've ever seen a book about specifically human heads, I'm not an archaeologist, admittedly. Why did you decide to put these two things together? What was the genesis?

Mark Olly 1:43
Okay. Obviously, we've been through a couple of years of lockdown, pandemic, and what have you. And what I was thinking during that period was what actually ties all of the human races that have ever been together. And the thing--the one thing that every human race has got in common is the skull, the face, you know, the head. That defines us really, as a race, it's something that everybody's got. Doesn't matter what size or shape your head is, or where you're from. As a rule, you need a head to function. So I thought, okay, that's something I can, metaphorically speaking, hang my hat on. And I can go with that. So I made the human skull, essentially, the pictures of the human head, the central thread for the topics that I deal with inside the book. Obviously, as an archaeologist, the link for me was fairly obvious between ancient fossilized stone and organic heads, and the fact that then people have chosen to carve them in stone, and the choices of stone are actually quite significant. So that's really how it came about. It was just linking a whole lot of what as you say, appeared to be disparate elements together, under the banner of the human head, the human skull.

Jim Harold 2:58
It would seem to me the human head, it's very mystical in many ways. I mean, there's a lot of mystery around it. But you know, what is the brain? Is it all encompassing? Or does it tap into a universal consciousness? It seems like if you think of a heart, and you think of the head, as kind of maybe two mystical centers, did you find that to be the case?

Mark Olly 3:21
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Without a doubt. What I do is in the book, I go through each stage, if you like, of what the human head is, what it's representing, how it functions, the biology, obviously, within that, the brain is a huge part of that. So to give people some understanding of sort of how our heads function, I actually do devote a chapter to the workings of the brain. And essentially, through history, they've always had a very kind of, you know, if it quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck, it's a duck kind of attitude to things. I think in the past, you know, we've got eyes that see, noses that smell, you know, mouths that vocalize, taste, hearing, thought. So I think in the past, it very much thought that--that sort of driving force, if you like, the soul, the thing that keeps the body going, resides principally in the head. Once you realize that the rest kind of falls into place, you know, it's the primary driving force behind us as humans, and it defines us, very much defines us. So the spiritual side of that as well. I think that's--that feeds into the crystal skulls, and the representations of human heads and attitudes towards heads. Very much as we come into the world, you know, we're born, and if we come out the right way, we come head first. So that's like our entry, if you like, from the spirit realms, and then we live here. And then our departure is when the lights go out, if you like, and when we no longer function, and the eyes you know, we'll close the eyelids and that's like the end of the--curtains coming down. So skulls kind of, then, became a representation of that passage out of this life. So the head's the first thing in at one end and effectively the closing of the eyes and those empty eye sockets, that's the exit at the other end. So it's inevitable. I think, the way the pattern of nature is designed that that's how people have seen that in the past.

Jim Harold 5:12
It reminds me of Marie Antoinette, and if I remember my history correctly, and I may not, but when she was given the guillotine, I think there was folklore, and I don't know if it's true or not, that she kind of blinked and looked around her--her disembodied head, after it had been cut off, like it was conscious and was aware.

Mark Olly 5:33
Yeah, that's--that's not folklore. That's--it was in history, what they used to do, when--when they guillotined heads or they sword cut heads, they'd actually leave them in a room for three days until the eyes stopped following movement, which is--which is really creepy. So it does make you wonder what's going on in there.

Jim Harold 5:50
Exactly. And very creepy. Indeed. Now, you looked at things like ancient heads, Celtic heads, stretched heads, inside heads, which I'll be interested--I guess that means the workings of inside the heads. But--but take us through a little bit of the evolution of the human head, if you would.

Mark Olly 6:08
Okay. Well, I suppose the place to start is with the oldest ones. The oldest heads, we've got are fossils. But because they've been turned to stone, we don't get as much data out of them as we would like. There's no DNA in there or anything like that. All you could do really with a stone head or fossilized head is measure it, and perhaps facially reconstruct it. So you got some idea of, you know, what sort of people you're dealing with. These are hundreds of thousands of years old, those kinds of fossils. If you want to come slightly closer to our time, the oldest recognizable modern Homo sapiens--sapiens head is probably around about 42, 43,000 BC, and they're coming out of a dig at Dolni Vestonice--dolni--I think that's correct. In the Czech Republic, they've--they've got an excavation going there. And they're bringing out these heads, I think they started off with them around 23, 24,000. And they just keep getting older, but if that person was reconstructed, they would essentially look like us. As time then goes on the gods, if you like, tends to focus very much on us as a species. And a lot of the other species of humans, which had been discovered, people like the Neanderthals, Denisovans, and a couple of other mystery race, they all--they've all effectively gone extinct. And the last ones to do that, we think we're possibly the Paracas, in South America, they were the last distinctly genetically different race to go out of circulation, then essentially, you're left with us. And then you've got the development of beliefs that our particular species have then attached to heads. And that sort of brings us forward, if you like, that progresses us. I mentioned, the Paracas because those are the guys with these enormous elongated skulls, these--these things that are sort of three times the capacity of the modern day skull. And I really go into that, that again, you mentioned inside heads that I had to look at exactly what effect that enlargement would have on the enlargement of the brain. And that gets really fascinating, you know, that answers a lot of archeological questions about ancient technology and how we've been in the past. Because these guys, you know, if you've got like the equivalent to three Einsteins stacked one on top of the other, you know, in the same head, you've got this enormous biological supercomputer, get 10 of those guys in a room, and they'll tell you how to build a pyramid in two minutes flat, you know, because they really are spot on. And there were literally races of these elongated head people all over planet Earth. So they will have fed into this--into this belief system, hence, you get the biologically bigger heads. But you also get us as a species trying to stretch heads. And to copy these guys with the bigger capacity. That's almost like a couple of 1000 year old experiments in can we be better? Can we enlarge our craniums and get more intelligence that way? Well the books seem to indicate we probably could, although we'd look a bit strange (laughs).

Jim Harold 8:59

Mark Olly 8:59
That would go down as a fashion statement. I think that would be a bit of a failure. But then it--yeah, in the past, like I say, you know, you've got the head is like the the driver, if you imagine that's the driver and the rest of the body is the car. And that seems to be how they've, how they proceeded. Obviously now we know the heart also is like a second brain, it feeds things back up to the brain in the skull. But they probably weren't aware of that, you know, 1000s of years ago, they just focus on what they could easily identify as being the functioning particles. And that seems to be how the ancients viewed that and how that moved forward. But I can say with a different species and the different sizes of heads and what have you, it does make you wonder, it does actually make you wonder sort of how they viewed that and what difference that made to them socially, you know, all the advanced races in the past and all the amazing things they did in the buildings they made and all that sort of thing that's all over the planet, that possibly went back to them rather than to us. So like I say, it kind of answers some of those questions.

Jim Harold 10:00
Now, I want to get your opinion on this and see what you--what you think and which way you lean. I'm guessing I know, but I'm not 100% that I know. So better that I ask you than just guess. Some people think--I remember when I first got my first PC back in 1990, I think it was. And at that time, it was pretty much a standalone unit, you got some discs that you put in for some software, I had one of those trials to one of the very early kind of precursors to the internet, it was called Prodigy here in the States, there was also CompuServe at that time. But--but I didn't do that because I was poor, and I didn't have any money. And it was very expensive at the time. So basically, that was a standalone unit. There was some software you loaded on it, but it was there. And it had a lot of capability for the time. But it was just there, it was self contained. And now you have my computer now that has its self contained abilities. But it also has its networked abilities. And you tie into the internet. And we can do things like talk to someone like yourself in the UK while I'm here in the American Midwest, and all these great things. To me, it seems like a lot of people look at the brain as the 1990 version of my computer that's unplugged from the network. That the software, the stuff you'll learn, you put in it, and it's self contained, and that's it. Where I think many of us think of it as both self contained abilities, but also it's connecting to this broader network. And then I guess there are other people who maybe think that it just connects to the--the network, where do you fall on that continuum?

Mark Olly 11:43

Jim Harold 11:44
Small question.

Mark Olly 11:45
Well, I was gonna say if I stick fairly strictly to the contents of the book, what you've done is you've moved nicely into the crystal skulls part of it, because I wanted to know why they chose quartz crystal for a skull. And if they did choose that for a skull, what connection were they aiming at, what was the connection between the skull and the bigger picture? And the more I got into that, the more I fell into this vast area of connectivity that I just did not expect to find. Basically quartz silica is sand. It's glass. So what you just described as a computer, which essentially is a silicon chip. So it's you know, it's--it's quartz crystals grown in a lab. And all the all the glassware and everything else that goes with it, the glass in the windows, you know, the quartz stones, quartz crystals, there's quartz in your buildings, there's even quartz silica in the sealant you put round baths and all this is quartz absolutely everywhere. So I wanted to know is how does that affect us? If you have a deficiency of quartz silica, when you're developing in the womb, it affects your head, and it affects brain development. So if you don't have it, you're not as good as you should be. So that was a pointer. I thought, well, okay, well, of all the things to pick to make in crystal, the head was probably the perfect thing to do that with. And then also quartz, with it being everywhere, I stumbled across a report, I think it was in Nature magazine, where they were looking at quartz on planet Earth, to see where the quartz was. And eventually they got into this idea of trying to see if they could swap out the magnetic iron core of the earth and put in a quartz one instead to see what would happen. Excuse me, as soon as they did that, it solved a thing called Olson's paradox. Now Olson's paradox is if you get it wrong, in a simulation, the planet doesn't work, you don't have the electricity, you don't have the gravity, you don't have what you need for the planet to function and work in space the way it does. But when you swapped it out for quartz, more specifically, quartz amethyst, it actually solved all of those problems, just in one go. So that also means that the center of the planet, the core of the planet, itself, is quartz. So it's like we're quartz, the head's quartz, the planet's quartz, there's quartz all around us. We're basically a carbon based life form living in a silicon based world. We're a giant quartz crystal flying through space. Now, that's a huge number of dots I've connected there in a very short period of time. Well, that then again, does bring those back, it does center us again back on to ourselves as the human race, because it's macrocosm microcosm, you know, as above so below. We are quite literally physical walking representations of planet Earth. And of quartz silica. We've got magnetism, we've got electricity, we've got all the elements in us that you find in planet earth, fire, water, earth, air, spirit, it's all in us. It's also in the planet. You know, maybe the ancients knew that and appreciated that. And that's, I mean, it's in another book I've written about the Green Man, and it looks at Planet Earth, actually as a head, you know, as a living entity as the Green Planet but a version of us because they viewed that as a head as well. And when you start to think about that, you think, Wow, that is just unbelievable, the connections there--there's going to be people out there now going, Oh, that means this, that means that, that means, you know, the connections are just many and various. Then you also got this thing where they've just developed a message using a laser, of writing data into glass disks. Now the glass disks are quartz silica, I think they did it over here in one of the universities, and they can write into the disk in 5D. So it's got an absolutely insane amount of data that you can store in one of these disks. But they're saying the same things, or they were saying the same things in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, etc., about the crystal skulls. Maybe somewhere in these crystal skulls, they always used to say, in a legendary sense, that if you got enough of these things together, they would release data, something would happen, which until these guys, only very recently, I think, was 2013, developed this system of writing into glass, it wasn't possible, it was impossible. Now it is possible. So it's like, you know, spiritual fantasy fiction has actually become scientific, actual fact, which is an enormous leap. But it goes back to quartz silica again. And if all that data can be contained in quartz, you know, we just don't know how to read it yet. We don't know how to read quartz crystals. We don't know how to read quartz in our environment, or read it inside, you know, one of these crystal skulls, but it's possible, because of our connectedness to our environment. Things like ghosts, you know, maybe, then maybe possibly they're nature's holograms. Maybe our brain, our senses, what we are, who we are, is a reaching out to the environment and pulling in data from the quartz in the environment. You know, why not? It's a perfectly rational explanation. We just can't prove it yet. You know, so? Yeah, I know it was a tremendously long answer to that question. But it was quite a deep question.

And I appreciate it and I'm fascinated about it. I think there's this thinking amongst people that crystal skulls, for the most part, I mean, I'm talking about people who don't study this, and so forth. They think they're fakes. And maybe some are certainly fakes, have been found to be fakes. But I mean, what would you have to say about the authenticity of crystal skulls that have been found?

Right, that's always been a tough one. And it's getting tougher. Actually, broadly speaking, you're probably more correct to say there are fakes, lots of them. We're now at the stage where there's probably tens of thousands of these things out there. Certainly since the 90s--90s, 2000s, or onwards, they've been churning these things out by the thousands. And so what I tried to do in the book is I tried to come up with a definition of something that you might, at least vaguely, think is genuine. So if it comes from South America, or it's found in a context, a secure context, and obviously, archaeologically, it's genuine. If it's handmade, rather than machine made, chances are, it's genuine, because nobody bothered to do that, nowadays, as a rule. If it doesn't really have any machine marks on it, or it has signs of being made by humans. Again, that's a pointer there, it might be a real one. And again, stylistically, it's, you know, it resembles Aztec or Mayan or Olmec, or whatever the art form is, if it's got a style to it, that's distinctive. Again, that's another indication that it might be real. But when you start looking at the famous ones, the only one really that stacks up as being 100 percent is the Mitchell-Hedges skull, or the skull of doom, as it's known. That was examined using an electron microscope, and they could not find any tool marks on it. There's no way of dating stone, not properly unless you look at the water content, how fast it's lost its water content, that gives you an approximate idea. But that's not been done on the Mitchell-Hedges. But the Mitchell-Hedges one took so long to make and so much crystal to produce it. And it's anatomically perfect. Nobody would do that now. It's just amazing. So I actually think that one's more than likely real, I can't prove it. But I think that one is, you know, the most likely of all the famous ones. A lot of the others are Victorian or early 20th century, you can, you know, they all--most of them trace back to a shop in Paris, owned by an antiquarian called Beauxbon. And he sold a lot of them on to museums, but he certainly didn't sell fakes. He only sold genuine South American artifacts. And when he sold them, I think he sold them as real, otherwise, museums wouldn't have bought them. So there is a possibility there was an industry manufacturing these skulls as from South America. Archaeologically, there's only two that's been found. There's one in the ballpark at Koba, where they played the asset ball game and it's set in the floor, and it's milky white quartz, so that's always been there. So that's a genuine one. And another one, which was hand sized, a fairly small one, ended up in an archeological report that was released in Mexico City. It was found in a village, not far from Mexico City, but they won't tell you any details. They certainly won't tell you where it was found. Because they're afraid of these things getting pinched. You know, they are national treasures, so I understand them being protective of them. So I suppose if you include the Mitchell-Hedges, that's three. So I thought all the skulls, you know, that have appeared in all these books all over the world, there's only really three of them that you can say, Yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure, you know, sure secure in the fact that those are old and they're Aztec and they're genuine. I actually own one that came from South America, it's two owners away from the person who got it.

Jim Harold 20:27

Mark Olly 20:28
It's a fantastic little skull, it appears in the book. It's just a bit smaller than life size, I must say as well, it's best if these skulls are life size, if you think they're real. If they're too small, then you know, chances are they're not. But the one I've got, it looks to be pre--pre-Columbian, perhaps at a push, but it's probably around the time Cortes and the Spanish arrived in South America. So it's probably somewhere in the 14 or 1500s, the one I've got, and that would--that came from a source that I personally know. But there's loads of people out there wouldn't accept that. But yeah, so maybe that's another real one. But I just wish that I do actually met the guy who it was given to originally. I mean, it's long passed away. Now, I can say it's a couple of owners down the line. But there aren't that many of them. Yeah, there aren't that many of them. So really, really to be real, they've got to be life sized, handmade, made of quartz or something very similar. No machine marks on them. You know, and they've got to look the part really. If they tick all those boxes then you're probably on safe ground.

Jim Harold 21:31
In the book, you also talk about extraordinary heads for the--for the purposes of this book, how did you define extraordinary heads?

Mark Olly 21:42
I actually kind of worked backwards on that one. I think what I had in mind when I was doing that was the idea that if you're different, and you don't fit in, the majority of human beings as a species, just don't tend to accept you, because you just don't fit in. But that's actually wrong, that everything about that is wrong. Because at the end of the day, it's the exceptional, and it's the different and it's people you know, with these enormous stretched heads with different capabilities, it's other species that are on planet earth that probably offer the most, you know, they have the most differences and gifts and talents that could move us forward. Also, you got to bear in mind that as an archaeologist, I know that whenever Homo sapiens, sapiens moves into an area, so you know, maybe Central Europe, you know, there's a couple of Neanderthal tribes around whatever, we move into that area, the Neanderthals tend to disappear, they either get wiped out by war, or by interbreeding or whatever. And generally the population of flora and fauna tends to decrease as well. So we are incredibly disruptive wherever we go, you know, it's just something that we've always been and will, you know, presumably, will continue to be like that. But we need to start to appreciate the extraordinary, we need to appreciate things that are different, you know, people that don't look the same, they don't act the same, they don't speak the same, you know, whatever that difference is, you know, if the Neanderthals were still alive today, they, to us, they would look probably more shocking than the Aboriginal communities, because they're to our way of thinking, Western way of thinking they look quite extreme. But a lot of the other human species in the past were equally as extreme. And we do not seem to have been as tolerant of them, as they were probably tolerant of us, which is a real shame, because the biodiversity that we've lost, you know, some of those species would undoubtedly have held the secret to our survival. I have no doubt about that. So although it doesn't look much of a Chapter, you know, the definition of extraordinary is just that. Something that is very, very different from us. And it's quite an important chapter. It's, you know, an important part of the book. I used to say it's a tiny book with an enormous story to tell. But that really sums it up. I think people need to grab it, read it, only takes a couple of hours to get through if you focus yourself, but honestly the the information in there is literally mind blowing.

Jim Harold 24:12
Now, you close out the book on the topic of alien heads, very controversial. What are your thoughts on alien heads and what did you discover and what--a little bit of what you had to share?

Mark Olly 24:27
As a life journey, my existence here on planet Earth, I have seen a couple of unidentified flying objects. I saw a couple in the 70s. I've had contact with a few in the 80s. I did a TV documentary called Europe's Roswell on a crash that happened in Aberystwyth in North Wales, which is over here, that's out there on general release. So I've always had a connection to these strange graphs. And when I was producing the book, it struck me that if these guys with the enormous heads, if these supercomputer guys, if it was lots and lots of them, and they used to live in the past, and they were absolutely amazing. What exactly were they capable of? Did they solve problems, problems of time and space, and other issues that we are unable to solve? And then it also struck me that a lot of people have had encounters, and describe these beings as having unusual shaped or large heads. So okay, this is going with the theme, you know, I'm looking at heads as a central theme here. And the theme runs all the way into these encounters that people are having and what they're seeing. So I really, I thought long and hard about this, it was a bit of a struggle to come up with a concluding chapter for it, I thought, Well, what I need to do is push the book into the future. And then it struck me, future, people haven't really looked at the idea that these things might be time travelers. They might have cracked this problem with time and space. Or they may actually be able to move through time and space, without necessarily coming from another planet. Consequently, they could be us from another time period. And again, I spent a lot of time thinking about that. And I thought, well, you know, would I, why would I come back or forward? Or how would I do this. And I thought, Well, okay, if we're at the stage where something critical is going on, you can't interfere with the timeline, you can't mess with time space, if you're dealing with the past, because it has a knock on effect, we know, it just ruins everything from that point forward, what you could do is you could do that the other way round, you could suddenly realize that this planet was not ending, it was not concluding the way it was supposed to. In which case you could drop in at the end, and you could sort of edge it, if you like, nudge it and interfere with it at that point, because there wasn't going to be an enormous, great big future for you to ruin, you know, it just wasn't gonna happen.

Jim Harold 26:50

Mark Olly 26:50
Now, obviously, their time periods are going to be much bigger than ours, or non existent. Not at all, they don't care, they can go wherever they want to go. And my way of looking at it was, maybe what these guys are doing is they're arriving here, and they're saying to us, you really need to get your act together, or you're going to lose this one, you're going to drop the ball, you know. So that's really where that--where that chapter is coming from, or where that wraps up. Because I don't think we can get off planet Earth. You know, I'm quite a firm believer that there are lots of good scientific reasons why we're stuck here. And no matter how much money we throw at it, we need to be solving what's going on down here. Not trying to throw things, you know, off the planet and out into space. That is not helpful to the majority of people who are here on planet Earth. And I think these guys in these machines, these flying saucers, UFOs, whatever, I think they're fully aware of that. Really, the end of the book just says, you know, watch out, don't blow it, guys. That's, I think that's the message that's coming through from, you know, the sort of spate of UFOs and things that we're having at the moment.

Jim Harold 27:53
Well, it's interesting, because if you, let's take all other things off the table, just the nuclear question alone, the potential use of nuclear weapons. I mean, I grew up during the Cold War. I was very young, but--but I remember and then the Berlin Wall came down, and everybody said, Oh, we don't have to worry about this anymore. Well, guess what? Yes, there were reductions. But those nuclear weapons did not go away. There's proliferation. And I would say, you know, having--having had it around since 1945, it's a miracle that we've not already blown ourselves up just through sheer accident.

Mark Olly 28:32

Jim Harold 28:32
A miscalculation. And now we're seeing the players are becoming, say what you want about the old Soviet Union and the US. Pretty stable, pretty stable.

Mark Olly 28:42

Jim Harold 28:43
Now, the leaders? The world is much more unstable and have access to much more powerful weapons, and in many more hands. I mean, it just seems to me that it's a matter of time till one of them goes off. And then who knows what happens from there.

Mark Olly 28:59
Yeah, as an archeologist, I'm perhaps aware of things that others might not be. This--over here in Scotland, we have a lot of sunken shipwrecks, and all these sunken ship wrecks are from the 19th century. And what's happened is industrial companies, people that produce electronics and things for use in hospitals, etc. They bought up all these shipwrecks, and this is quite shocking, this, because the iron content of the shipwrecks is not polluted by radiation.

Jim Harold 29:30

Mark Olly 29:30
Because they're pre--pre-nuclear. They're pre the nuclear age, all iron that's produced now, post Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc., all the stuff that's done now is actually radioactive. All of it. So we are literally living in a radioactive world, there's nothing we can do about it, you know, there's reactors gone pop, there's stuff flown into the atmosphere, there's no other bombs--

Jim Harold 29:51

Mark Olly 29:52
Yeah, test--test, testing the bombs. Yep. All sorts. So even if you like, even if we don't end up dropping bombs on somebody specifically, every time one of these things goes off, it's increasing the radiation content within the sphere of planet Earth. So you can see why, you know, if I was a time traveler, and I was, you know, in one of these spacecraft from, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10,000 years ago, and I was looking at the planet going, well, this is what should happen? Well, what are the idiots doing at the end, you know, why are they doing that, that's really going to mess things up. Because radiation doesn't go away, you know, it's not easy to get rid of, you can't just vacuum it up, or, you know, seal it up and hope for the best. It gets out, you know, and it does damage the planet. I'm a 1960s kid. I was born in the 1960s, just a couple of years before the first Apollo landing on the moon and all that nonsense. So I've literally grown up with that my entire life, I've grown up with a nuclear threat as well as same as yourself. You know, by the time you get to sort of my age, you start to think, you know, this--this, we should have sorted this out ages ago. You know, why is it still dragging on? You know, who is it that you have to get all off to say, stop it. So I'm totally with you, I think these these entities are coming to us now to say, you know, cut it out, it's you know, you're ruining your own home, literally, you're wrecking it. So stop it.

Jim Harold 31:17
A lot of food for thought. And, Mark, really excellent discussion. Thank you so much for talking with us about crystal skulls and human heads. Where can people find the book? And I know you've done many other books and you do a lot of other things. How else can they connect to everything you do?

Mark Olly 31:36
Okay, I love to keep things really simple. If you want books, the best place to head is Amazon. Go and have a look at Amazon, type my name in M A R K O double L Y. you should get all the books I've ever done, actually, you'll get one on the disappearing ninth legion, which is the Roman one, the Green Man, you'll get Robin Hood, you'll get the one on crystal skulls and human heads. They're all on Amazon. So just do an Amazon search. And that will take you to where you need to be. I've got to say as well as the hardback version of the book we've just produced is amazing. It just looks incredible. It's one of the nicest books I've seen in a very long time. So you want to buy some gifts for people at Christmas and all that, you know, buy crystal skulls in hardback, because it's a really sexy looking book. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that but it is. Anyway--

Jim Harold 32:22
You're allowed.

Mark Olly 32:24
Pretty much, I mean the artwork. Yeah.

Jim Harold 32:26
If you don't tooteth your own horn, it does not get tooted-edeth? If I could say that (laughs).

Mark Olly 32:34
If anybody wants to contact me, it's good old fashioned Facebook. If you come and find me on Facebook, I've got a photo of me tinted blue holding a crystal ball. So it's pretty obviously me, there's only a couple of other guys with a similar name to me. So you'll find me, send a friend request and then we could chat on Messenger. If it's for professional reasons, I can give you my email and go from there. So it's really very simple. It's Amazon for books and products. It's Facebook if you want to get in contact with me.

Jim Harold 33:01
Well, it's been a great time. Mark Olly, thank you for exploring these mysteries with us.

Mark Olly 33:07
A pleasure, truly a pleasure.

Jim Harold 33:08
And thank you for joining us today on Ancient Mysteries on the Air. We appreciate it. And please keep exploring those mysteries. We'll talk to you next time. Have a great week everybody. Bye bye.